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Andy Powell v Martin Turner. The Truth!!

The original article on this site still gets views. I have finally realised why Mr Powell took such exception to the name Martin Turner’s Wishbone Ash.

It is indeed down to the apostrophe.  Like everybody else, I assumed that the name referred to the idea that the ‘Wishbone Ash’ part was the POSSESSION of Martin Turner. Or at least that particular version was.  (One of the uses of the figure of speech).

But no! It is the OTHER use of the apostrophe. The one which denotes OMISSION/CONTRACTION.  It means Martin Turner IS Wishbone Ash!   It’s obvious (it is obvious)!

And it is blindingly obvious to many Martin Turner fans.


Creedence Clearwater Revival (Andy Powell v Martin Turner Pt 7)

I reckon even Martin Turner will be laughing at this, as it puts his dispute with Andy Powell firmly into focus.  The website for Rock Artist Management has CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL’ down as playing the Butlins Giants of Rock Fest at Minehead!   I kept looking again and again.  Not ‘…Review’, who are a copy act. Not ‘…Revisited’ who include the original bass player and drummer, either.  Seemingly it is as the headline says.

However, there  are some clues once we know it is Butlins.  The main man at Rock Artist Management is Pete Barton. He books the Butlins acts (see many previous entries on this website).   He once played in the Animals  with Johnny ‘Guitar’ Williamson.  Mr W once had a Creedence copy act called Creedence Clearwater Revived.  A look on the Ents24 booking site reveals the existence of , and I quote, ‘Johnny ‘Guitar’ Williamson’s Creedence Clearwater Revival’ !!!  No kidding!

I look forward to a Mr John Fogerty’s reaction to this information, which can only be described using Chris Kamara’s favourite word…unbelievable!

A further search has found Creedence Clearwater Revived are playing in KIel, it says ‘Revival’ on the RockArtistManagement site though!   And blow me down, guess who else is in the line up?!  Clue, first name Pete, second name rhymes with ‘f*rt on’.

Butlin’s Rock and Blues 2016 ( aka Andy Powell v Martin Turner Part 5)

Looks like it is going to be a pretty good weekend. The line-up has just been supplemented, worth checking out.  Followers of the Wishbone Ash soap opera will note that ‘Martin Turner plays the music of Wishbone Ash’ will be appearing. (Cue much cheering).   It is a little known fact* that Mr Turner had to shorten his name to the above-mentioned version. Apparently it was originally called ‘Martin Turner plays the music of Wishbone Ash a f**k sight better than the delusional Andrew Powell and his journeymen outfit’.**   Seemingly Mr Powell took Mr Turner to court, saying Mr Turner had made him cry and he now only had three friends in the whole world, and Mr T had to shorten the name.  ‘It’s the Way of the World’, so they say.

*  It is a little known fact , because I have just made it up.  Apologies to Wishbone Ashtray….SORRY!!  , Wishbone Ash.   (Slip of the tongue).


** And he couldn’t find anybody who could make XXXXXXXXXXXL T-shirts

Andy Powell v Martin Turner.

Ok Most Wishbone Ash fans will know that there has been a long-running battle between the above two regarding the use of the name ‘Wishbone Ash’. There are two websites (www.wishboneash.com and http://www.wishboneash.co.uk respectively), the headlines on which BOTH seem to indicate a victory?!   Upon closer inspection, it would appear that, basically, Andrew Powell seems to be claiming a win after 90 minutes but Martin Turner seems to be trying to force extra time.

It is interesting to read the full account of proceedings, especially with reference to ‘similar’ cases a la Saxon, Animals .   Please correct me if I am wrong , but Mr Powell seems to be insinuating that the presence of Mr Turner’s group at a similar place and time has ‘diluted’ HIS crowd.  One point that I feel is missing in this argument is that, for all of this century, Mr Powell’s new songs have been extremely ‘ordinary’ at best, and maybe the reason why his audience has tailed off is that people don’t want to hear his new material and would rather listen to ‘classic’ songs performed by Mr Turner’s outfit?  If I were MT, I would certainly be making that point!

OK, credit to Mr Powell for flying the WA flag and not just wallowing in nostalgia but look at the quality of the material since MT ‘left’ in 1980.  ‘Twin Barrels Burning’ somehow was a decent seller but it showed up a lack of songs and singing ,big style. ( Hey Mr Blobby sold lots too, quantity isn’t quality!)  I quite liked ‘Raw to the Bone’and ‘Illuminations’ was ok, I saw MT filling in on the relevant 1996 tour.

I have regularly bought Wishbone Ash studio stuff since 2000 but never play them.  Many people are in one camp or the other and get quite possessive…it’s all really a bit sad.

All this stuff about ‘confusion’ for punters is rubbish. I am not even going to dwell on the details but look at what happened with Asia.  I remember back in the 1990s going to see them in Leeds, expecting John Wetton, and got John Payne doing his awful quasi-operatic vocals. I bought their studio and live stuff, and just about tolerated the vocals in view of the music being decent.   The original line-up reformed post 2000 and Mr Payne, understandably miffed, carried on as ‘Asia featuring John Payne’.  The originals let him keep the name ‘Asia’ and was there any ensuing confusion among customers? Course, not.  From reading comments by the original reunited line-up, it seems they basically weren’t bothered with Mr Payne’s lot’s activities.   There was no evidence of Mr Payne trying to ‘mislead’ as indeed Mr Turner has always been forceful in pointing out his group’s name.

I haven’t seen Mr Powell’s lot for some time, the last couple of times were disappointing. Have seen Mr Turner’s lot much more of late and will continue to do so, regardless of their name.

Now The Drifters….!!!


Addendum, 8.3.2018. After more than 4 years, this is the most-visited and most-searched site via search engines. There has been a number of follow-up items on the subject, but for some reason searches in recent years have not come up. It seems that someone has complained about bunternet in general? I have never used a swear word, used porno photos or posted xenophobic/homophobic views. Not tried to encourage terrorist activity either.